EMDR Remedy and Psychological Well being Help with Susie Morgan, LMFT, BCETS

Betty Rocker (00:15):

What’s up, Rockstars Coach Betty Rocker right here, and I’m actually glad you might be right here too. In some unspecified time in the future, you might have heard me discuss a sort of remedy that I used referred to as EMDR, which stands for Eye Motion Desensitization and Reprocessing. And it’s actually recognized for its capability to deal with PTSD and traumatic occasions. There’s plenty of completely different sorts of therapeutic practices on the market, and in the case of our psychological well being, it’s actually necessary to discover a good match and the suitable instruments for addressing our particular person considerations so we will reside extra full and significant lives. After going by a very tough interval of my very own life and being recognized with nervousness and melancholy, one of many suggestions I used to be given was to hunt EMDR remedy.

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I’ll share a bit extra about my expertise with it on the present right this moment as a result of the individual I’ve introduced to speak to us is the superb therapist I labored with, and I’m actually excited so that you can meet her. She actually helped me change my mind and my life. Susie Morgan is a licensed marriage and household therapist, board licensed skilled in trauma stress, and an authorized EMDR therapist specializing within the remedy of advanced PTSD and attachment trauma. Along with her follow, she’s additionally an E-M-D-R-I-A authorised marketing consultant and coach, and the founding father of the Precision EMDR Academy, a boutique coaching company that equips and mentors clinicians to supply protected and efficient EMDR remedy. She is devoted to offering each a excessive degree of care in her personal therapeutic follow and advancing the excellence within the subject of EMDR. I felt that she was uniquely geared up to share extra about EMDR with us and offer you a way of what it’s used for, who would possibly profit from it, and how much issues it treats, and tips on how to discover and vet a terrific practitioner. So be a part of me in welcoming her to the present. Welcome, Susie. It’s so nice to have you ever right here with me. Thanks a lot for being right here.

Susie Morgan (02:22):

Thanks for having me. That is completely my honor, so thanks.

Betty Rocker (02:26):

Oh my gosh. Effectively, I’ve been so excited to have a dialog about EMDR so that folks would find out about it, individuals who’ve possibly heard about it might get extra aware of it, as a result of I really feel prefer it’s kind of, it’s a more recent follow in the case of the therapeutic arts within the higher scheme of remedy. Is that right?

Susie Morgan (02:51):

Sure and no, as a result of that’s a bit little bit of a false impression as a result of it’s actually been round since 1987. And so what meaning is that regardless that it’s not as outdated as clearly like Freudian remedy and people actually conventional fashions or cognitive behavioral, it, it isn’t new. And so it’s, it really has had loads of time to truly develop out an extremely strong, like encyclopedia of analysis, not solely displaying that it treats PTSD, but additionally a spread of different problems that folks can current with. And so it’s really a false impression that it’s new, it’s simply newer that folks learn about it and

Betty Rocker (03:34):

Newer that folks learn about it. Effectively, would possibly, like I ought to ask the primary query, which is, what does EMDR stand for and what does it particularly deal with? As a result of I feel that’s actually fascinating. It’s, it’s very distinctive within the therapeutic arts.

Susie Morgan (03:50):

Okay. So the, the inventor of EMDR would’ve renamed it. She mentioned if she had had an opportunity, however by the point it was extra well-known and being researched, she was like, okay, that is what it’s referred to as. So it stands for eye motion desensitization and reprocessing. And so let me break that down. So it makes use of eye motion. Historically, you should utilize different means to permit for the, the mind to mainly replicate what occurs throughout REM sleep, we predict with a view to really reconsolidate reminiscences. And so you should utilize different duties, different bilateral varieties of motion with, with tactile and even tones with a view to create this impact. In order that’s the attention motion a part of it. It’s utilizing this particular bilateral, units of actions with a view to stimulate the mind to enter right into a reminiscence reconsolidation mode. After which the desensitization and reprocessing are the 2 issues that it’s doing.

(04:53)
What it’s doing is it’s taking the activation of those reminiscences and desensitizing that. So taking, taking the cost out of it, taking that chew out of the reminiscence, after which it’s reprocessing it. So it’s really connecting it as much as adaptive info and adaptive info. Is that this actuality primarily based or soothing or, constructive info that claims it’s over and actually undoes the educational and connects it as much as what really the mind already is aware of. However when a reminiscence is maladaptively saved, it doesn’t soak up the entire context of issues. It doesn’t soak up the truth that issues are over or that actually, regardless that you realize it’s true, prefer it doesn’t really feel true. So it it, it connects all that up.

Betty Rocker (05:39):

What’s the eye motion a part of eye motion desensitization reprocessing? Is your eye simply going forwards and backwards otherwise you snapping your fingers? What’s occurring? Is there lights?

Susie Morgan (05:49):

So over time, devices have been invented and since mainly the bottom line is you are attempting to have that shopper’s eyes commute throughout the sector division as quickly as they will bodily tolerate whereas holding the reminiscence materials in thoughts. And so you possibly can have somebody, holding a, you realize, a set of buzzers of their arms that mild up and so they can look forwards and backwards between the lights. The buzzing can also be another that permits there to be a tactile degree of stimulation for that forwards and backwards in order that, individuals who can’t use their eyes for this course of really can have an efficient type of bilateral stimulation. There are eye, like, like eye motion machines the place mainly you possibly can, you possibly can observe a lightweight bar forwards and backwards, or there’s like these bins you possibly can maintain that may trigger your lights to return, trigger your eyes to commute as you observe the lights.

(06:49)
There are laptop applications which have a bit bouncing ball that commute, however backside line is you don’t want machines. You simply want some mechanism for eyes to commute. So I do, I do EMDR on-line on a regular basis now with none equipment in any way, with none particular applications. I simply have folks pinching their fingers forwards and backwards with their eyes held a few shoulder width aside. They observe their very own pinches, and that produces the efficient eye motion. However mainly what we’ve proven in analysis is that eye motion is the best strategy to create the reminiscence reconsolidation course of that we’re searching for. Nonetheless, these different strategies tactile and, an auditory can produce an analogous degree, however there does appear to be greater than, extra at play than simply that your eyes are going forwards and backwards. There may be, there’s the likelihood that that’s, activating a rem like mechanism of sleep.

(07:48)
We see chemical, chemical, related chemical substances produced within the mind, related brainwaves. It additionally seems that work taxing working reminiscence is without doubt one of the explanation why it’s efficient. It’s not as snug, it’s not as enjoyable to have to truly like, like do a elaborate patterning along with your fingers when you have the buzzing or matching your eye actions along with your pinches. However that truly causes the tough reminiscence materials to metabolize sooner. However for those who overtax working reminiscence, you lower on that reprocessing portion. So it’s, there’s form of a candy spot, and it’s completely different for every individual on how a lot, how arduous we wish them to work whereas they’re doing the bilateral processing.

Betty Rocker (08:35):

What’s a, what’s a superb instance of a maladaptive reminiscence that somebody may need that was not connecting? Proper? Or what occurs in, in remedy?

Susie Morgan (08:46):

So an instance of a, a trauma reminiscence could be a canine chew. So a bit lady, she’s in her entrance yard, A canine comes by, bites her. There’s two methods the mind can go along with that. One we might name maladaptive. One we might name adaptive. And so it, it, and the distinction is how does the reminiscence find yourself being saved by the mind, which elements of the mind are concerned? And so if it’s maladaptively saved, it will get at, it will get saved in virtually like this unique type. Like the entire, the visible sight sounds feels of that second are identical to encapsulated in time. And so she could be 30 years outdated and it feels prefer it occurred yesterday when she thinks of it. So it, it shops scorching within the visible cortex of the mind, the emotional cortex of the mind. And the fascinating factor is the logical elements of the mind that claims it’s over, you’re protected now. That kind of factor. The, that complete piece of the mind doesn’t even come on-line. So it’s all sight sounds, feels, and feelings, and it’s scorching and it’s saved that means somewhat than it’s over, I’m protected. It occurred a very long time in the past. Now I do know that, you realize, you need to, you realize, form of just remember to don’t simply pet a canine. You don’t know , that form of factor,

Betty Rocker (10:10):

Proper? So, so the expertise that an individual would have who had these two completely different storages of the reminiscence is one little lady may be afraid of canines ceaselessly as a result of that reminiscence’s at all times burning brilliant and burning scorching with all of that saved stuff the place the opposite little lady who’s,  it’s not saved in a destructive means. She simply is extra cautious in approaching canines the place the opposite lady may be afraid to strategy a canine in that sense. Yeah. So the, the trauma impacts how we behave in several methods shifting ahead is what you’re saying

Susie Morgan (10:40):

In that kind of adaptive versus maladaptive piece. Adaptive is, I’m protected now on a really fundamental degree and I can maintain myself protected now, or it’s, I’m not protected. And so the physique goes in a combat or flight, if something reminds the nervous system of that incident. And there’s really three varieties of trauma I consider that actually, actually matter. And so it’s very a lot increasing out the definition of the phrase in a, in a means that I feel is essential as a result of there’s so many individuals who say, effectively, I don’t have trauma. I wasn’t at struggle, I wasn’t assaulted, that form of factor. So, so EMDR remedy isn’t for me or pondering of myself as having trauma that I would want to reprocess by that could possibly be affecting my signs.  That simply doesn’t, that simply doesn’t come of their conceptualization

Betty Rocker (11:30):

Positive.

Susie Morgan (11:31):

Of what they’re coping with, and due to this fact it stops them from getting assist they may get. So the three varieties of trauma that I feel are actually necessary to know are that massive T trauma. In order that’s classically what we perceive as, yeah, blood fireplace struggle assault, that’s what that’s conceptualized as. Then you could have, little t traumas or what are antagonistic life occasions. And these are issues that usually folks, you realize, another person would possibly have a look at that and be like, effectively, that’s no massive deal. So that is like bullying. Or it’s issues like, you realize, somebody, somebody being a jerk at work or somebody calling you a reputation on the playground or your sister leaving you out, like that form of factor. So, so these are your little, little to your antagonistic life occasions. However really what’s much more crucial, I feel, is knowing advanced with advanced, developmental trauma, which is extra frequent than you would possibly assume, is when early attachment wants aren’t met.

(12:32)
And, or then if there’s additionally some abuse or issues like that in these early years that it, that’s actually really what can create the longest and most pervasive points with nervousness, melancholy, all types of issues that we simply consider like, oh, these are psychological well being points, when really, if we return, we’re wanting on the absence of attunement and even the absence of play, which is fascinating. The absence of safety. This, you realize, simply not having the steering you want, like tips on how to shave your legs, tips on how to take care of a, a bully peer. Like all of those completely different items actually make a distinction within the capability of that individual’s nervous system to resist the stressors that may come. And so oftentimes when these kind of developmental early attachment wants aren’t met, then you could have extra of a, of a susceptibility for the mind to maladaptively maintain these later occasions. So it’s, it’s actually difficult.

Betty Rocker (13:38):

Effectively, not, I feel you defined it superbly in order that the three varieties, there’s the large Ts, there’s the, the little ts, that are, what did you name them? Adversarial occasions. After which there’s additionally the attachment points. And, and attachment idea is completely fascinating. I keep in mind that you really useful the e book connected to me years in the past, and it was so useful in a, a, giving me a framework of understanding the distinction between the, anxious avoidant and the safe attachment kinds, that are these three attachment kinds. And simply saying them, it, it makes a lot sense why anxious and avoidant could be so polarized for those who guys take into consideration that. It’s so fascinating. After which how will we create safety, proper? And, and completely different facets of our life. However, that was, that was actually fascinating that that comes into play in, in what’s handled inside the scope of EMDR. We wanna speak a bit bit extra about that. ’trigger I feel that’s so fascinating.

Susie Morgan (14:41):

Yeah, I’d like to as a result of it’s, it’s a lot what is available in to the workplace when persons are saying, my relationships are simply not working mm-hmm . Or I maintain stepping into the identical kind of kind of damaging dynamic with my companions. Mm. And so, so what occurs when these early attachment wants aren’t met is a bit nervous system is so good and so clever to kind of learn the room of the connection with their caregivers, and so they really can learn the room otherwise with completely different caregivers relying on what, what shall be simplest for his or her must be met. And, and to contextualize this, little mammals can’t survive with out their caregivers attunement to them or their, not attunement, however with out them assembly their wants. Mainly. Like little mammals die if their caregiver form of leaves them by the aspect of the highway with out issues. And so people aren’t any completely different.

(15:40)
And so an toddler or a toddler or issues like that may notice if I cry extra, you come, if I cry much less, you don’t get so mad at me. That kind of factor. Mm-hmm. And so what finally ends up occurring whenever you simply have a look at anxious versus avoidant anxious is, I cry extra, you’ll come mm-hmm. Avoidant is, I cry much less, I’m extra more likely to get my wants met, I’m safer right here. After which you could have these very unhappy conditions the place the, the early surroundings is so harsh and is so each neglectful of those attachment wants in addition to damaging by abuse or issues like that, that the nervous system will be taught. Like, okay, generally I cry louder, generally I shut down. Prefer it’s this complete like, like dance of simply to attempt to get wants met in no matter little tiny means that they will. And the factor is, as soon as the mind locks in on this stuff, identical to trauma reminiscences, as soon as the mind locks in on these attachments methods or these diversifications to their en their early surroundings ring retains doing the identical factor over and again and again, whether or not or not the surroundings modifications.

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And in the end the saddest half that I see in my, in my workplace is little nervous programs as they develop up, select most naturally what seems like house. And they also’ll repeat what they, they went by once they had been small, pondering they’re doing one thing completely different, however then touchdown in the identical kind of of relationship. After which, after which concluding, I’m the issue. It’s as a result of I’m nugatory, I’m unlovable, or regardless of the case may be. When in the end, like that isn’t the case. It’s actually simply that their nervous system doesn’t know tips on how to do one thing completely different. In order that’s the actually cool stuff we will do with superior expertise with EMDR remedy is not only clear up these reminiscences. Like we don’t simply reprocess reminiscences. We really can really restore and restore the attachment system. So it’s, it’s fairly magic what’s attainable and

Betty Rocker (17:44):

All of that, whether or not you might be treating trauma, reminiscence or attachment that’s gotten, it’s, I’m simply picturing like a rug that obtained all bunched up and Proper. It’s not, it’s not clean, whether or not you’re treating any of these various things, the, the first end result is a way of safety, a way of security within the self, a way of self that’s mm-hmm . Protected and complete and, and sufficient, proper. For thus many people who, who, you realize, search remedy. One factor that I’ve been studying so much these days, and it’s so unusual as a result of we had been gonna have this dialog and I wished to ask you about it. How do we all know that the remedy that we’re doing is correct for us? That’s undoubtedly a query. And, and two, like, why is it that there’s a lot remedy that simply doesn’t appear to work, I suppose like, yeah, what’s occurring with that?

Susie Morgan (18:41):

So plenty of the rationale why remedy doesn’t work is as a result of it doesn’t really change the best way the nervous system is working. And so what you’re doing is you’re utilizing actually what, what could be actually highly effective instruments, however it’s extra like manually shifting a automobile somewhat than having driving an computerized, mainly the place you must use these expertise with a view to shift the mind into that adaptive functioning. So one of many issues that I feel is actually, actually necessary for, for EMDR therapists to know tips on how to do, and it hasn’t been historically educated, however is to essentially be capable to map out what are the first trauma reminiscence networks, the methods the mind has clustered collectively varied experiences, after which is working out of those maladaptive beliefs. So that you’ll have that canine chew, however then now mother is, you realize, mother is late choosing you up from daycare, and one way or the other the mind goes, yep, I’m not protected once more.

(19:44)
Otherwise you stroll by a barking canine, who’s actually scary on the best way to soccer follow, and the mind goes, yep, not protected once more. After which it, it’s mainly placing all these reminiscences collectively right into a cluster and saying, right here’s my proof of idea, I’m not protected. After which something that triggers that trauma, reminiscence community, lights up all of that cluster of experiences, after which the nervous system responds to that. So oftentimes a, a shopper who is available in has a number of clusters, in order that they have one cluster proving I’m not protected. Perhaps one other cluster saying I’m unlovable, one other cluster saying I don’t belong, or no matter it’s. Like it may be any number of these. And so if now we have that lay of the land, that may be actually useful for us understanding, okay, this, this, I’m not protected is linked to those panic signs, or this, I’m not lovable, is linked to those attachment kind of anxious attachment kind methods, regardless of the case may be.

(20:44)
However then now we have this different superb reminiscence community that each one of us have. It’s only for a few of us, it’s, it’s extra effectively developed than others. And it’s the adaptive info community. It’s all these experiences of, of, you realize, studying or of being liked or of being restored indirectly, or having, you realize, a way of belonging as a part of a tradition or a part of a, you realize, a part of a non secular follow or a part of a, of a non secular group. These, these greatest pals or these, these animals that simply love us it doesn’t matter what. All of that. And I consider these as bushes. So so mainly there’s, there’s one thing that planted the tree by way of the, these darkish trauma reminiscence networks. There’s an occasion that planted the tree, after which the tree simply grew up and obtained greater with all of these different occasions that obtained clustered collectively.

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Effectively, this, this mild tree, this adaptive info tree of data additionally has, has a means during which it was planted. That’s that early attachment system. In order that’s the trunk of that tree. And a few folks have a spindly trunk, which suggests they’re far more prone to the wind blowing after which being taken off steadiness. After which additionally they can have varied ranges of levels during which that adaptive info community has been constructed out by all of those different constructive and experiences of resilience, experiences of success, experiences of overcoming all that jazz, so, so lengthy strategy to, to put the muse for the reply to your query is mainly therapies, I feel do one in every of two issues. One is they assist improve that mild tree of adaptive info. So whenever you’re studying meditation, whenever you’re studying how to consider the constructive, tips on how to deal with what’s true about you, all of that, you’re actually enhancing and specializing in that adaptive info reminiscence community.

(22:45)
And, and so there’s a lot that’s constructive and highly effective about plenty of the therapies on the market that try this. Then there’s one other, form of kind of remedy like cognitive behavioral, the place what it’s doing is it’s, it’s permitting you to problem that activation of that destructive reminiscence community and saying, yeah, however keep in mind it’s not true. And so that you try this, that guide shifting by kind of logic your self into the sunshine tree. However that’s actually arduous and might really feel like gaslighting actually, whenever you’re like, however my nervous system says the trauma is what’s true. Not this different logic stuff that I would know in my head.

Betty Rocker (23:28):

That simply is a part of what I suppose I’ve been listening to from folks generally once they say, you realize, speak remedy or sure varieties of speak remedy, I really feel like I’m simply rehashing these uncomfortable issues again and again with out actually getting anyplace. I’m simply spinning my wheels.

Susie Morgan (23:41):

That’s one other kind of remedy. So there may be, there are varieties of remedy the place the concept is that if now we have perception or if we speak sufficient by it, you then’ll get higher. So meaning you sit in the dead of night hint, you sit in these trauma reminiscence networks throughout trauma, the, throughout your remedy, and that’s purported to theoretically make you’re feeling higher, however it doesn’t really essentially try this as a result of all you’re doing is kind of dwelling within the darkness. And so persons are like, effectively, I don’t wanna go to my previous. I wanna do these different issues. Effectively, that’s nice. Now all you’re doing is manually shifting into the lightness. So what we’re searching for is one thing that truly reconsolidate the reminiscence really shifts the, the, the, the educational that’s occurred within the nervous system. And EMDR will not be the one present on the town that may try this. There are different therapies that truly could be efficient with reminiscence. Reconsolidation, EMDR remedy is only one the place we do get constant outcomes with that when it’s performed correctly. And in order that’s, yeah.

Betty Rocker (24:42):

That’s, that’s the R and the EMDR, the reprocessing half. Sure. Yeah, that’s the place the combination occurs. So I’ll share a bit bit, that, you realize, however my listeners don’t. Once I first began doing EMDR remedy with Susie, it’s been a number of years now since we did this nice work collectively, and we spent a few years doing it. I keep in mind to start with I used to be like, effectively, when are we, when will we get to do the EMDR? Like, when are we gonna get to that half? And what was actually superb is her strategy was so considerate. She was, she went in and discovered the place now I do know the lingo, in fact I didn’t on the time, my clusters, she was searching for the place are the, the networks right here that I have to work with. She deliberately discovered the panorama of this thoughts that she was then going to be going into with like her positive devices and serving to to reprocess.

(25:38)
Proper? So like, that was such an necessary a part of that work. I feel that, that for those who don’t learn about it, you, you don’t know what you don’t know, proper? However I feel it’s so necessary. And there’ve been, and there have been additionally issues that you just did to start with that I’ve by no means forgotten. You gave me instruments. I keep in mind among the superb instruments that you just gave me to assist me have a way of safety, to have a way of security. After which in fact, the precise follow of EMDR, which is so superb. It’s so tough to do the work generally, however it’s additionally so necessary. It’s like, you realize, you guys, like whenever you do a very powerful exercise, , such as you gotta put within the work to get the outcome. However it felt like there was a real end result coming at the same time as I used to be going by the tough facets of it.

(26:26)
And it, it, I used to attempt to clarify what it was love to do, to be an a, a affected person going by E-M-D-R, for those who guys have seen the film “Inside Out,” that is like the easiest way that I can clarify it. There’s this place that, that they go what’s, which is just like the reminiscence financial institution, and it’s all of those glowing balls of sunshine that they’ve simply stacked up and stacked up and stacked up. And so I at all times pictured just like the trauma reminiscences as like these like gnarly black balls of sunshine that, that had been like saved within the reminiscence financial institution, that, that had been really infecting all the opposite reminiscences. As a result of that’s what occurs along with your, with the issues which are what we name maladaptive. Right. Is that proper terminology? Yeah. So the maladaptive reminiscences that didn’t really get processed accurately to start with, these are like now infecting the remainder of your reminiscences.

(27:14)
And so you could have these reactions to issues you can’t actually management. It’s like bugs in your working system if you’d like like a pc terminology for it. And it was like going by doing the work of the EMDR, you’re like altering the material again to one thing clean. We are able to return to that rug instance the place the rug was all bunched up and we’re like smoothing out the rug. And now when one thing comes up that was an actual set off or one thing that will, you’d have like this unavoidable response that you just had no management over, it’s not there, it’s simply not even a set off. You continue to have the reminiscence of the factor, however it’s not lit up anymore. And I feel that was so profound for me of just like the expertise of EMDR, of like how a lot it modified the material of my precise being.

(27:58)
Like I felt like I grew to become just like the model of myself. I used to be at all times meant to be by going by that work. And so it makes plenty of sense. This care that’s taken all through the method, particularly to start with, as a result of I’ve had pals inform me – oh why, when – I’ve despatched pals to EMDR and so they’re like why when do I get to do the EMDR? I’m like, let your therapist do these actually necessary items firstly as a result of they’ll make it easier to get a greater lead to the long run. So I feel it’s fascinating the way it

Susie Morgan (28:32):

Works. There’s so many items that you just simply mentioned which are so necessary that I wanna virtually give the again of the home understanding of a bit. Please, please. The, the why. In order that unique query you requested of like, effectively, how are you aware for those who’re in the suitable place along with your therapist? Yeah. And I feel there’s that bigger query of like, are you doing a remedy that truly modifications the best way the nervous system is holding the reminiscences? And, so that you’re re remodeling that complete factor so that you robotically reply otherwise. It’s not that guide management, however whenever you’re searching for out an EMDR therapist, whether or not or not they take this, this primary like part of the work actually critically is a very massive element for deciding whether or not or not you’re in the suitable place.

Betty Rocker (29:22):

Mm.

Susie Morgan (29:22):

And oftentimes, this isn’t the fault of the therapist, it’s the fault of the way it’s historically been educated the place actually it’s such as you do form of like this, this fast, this fast intro and you then simply soar into, to processing trauma reminiscences. However that’s the place now we have folks having actually dangerous experiences. And the primary purpose is as a result of folks, folks aren’t essentially prepared for that but. And or the, the therapist doesn’t essentially have the, the readiness of getting a superb remedy plan in place with a view to know why we’re gonna begin right here and go there and go there. And so once I was doing all of these early, form of items of labor with you, it’s, it’s really there, it’s twofold. One is, I really, I’m, I’m purposefully mapping, I’m purposefully supplying you with instruments that matter to your expertise of being within the work, however I’m additionally looking ahead to very, very key facets that point out your mind is prepared to do that, that your nervous system can do sure issues.

(30:28)
And so all the things I’m doing has a twin objective. It’s each getting you prepared, constructing that readiness if I have to do extra of one thing, but additionally seeing what’s there and seeing whether or not or not that that extra form of prep work is prepared. After which the opposite piece, and that is, that is simply because I wish to point out it, that piece about that grownup, like strongest wisest self being there for little you, that’s the core key function to attachment restore. It’s creating out that grownup self to present little you what nobody else has been capable of give us absolutely and to attract from the fashions of those that have possibly in items and issues like that. However in the end, repairing the attachment system is understanding deep down that you just’ve obtained you and that you just’ve

Betty Rocker (31:19):

Acquired you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s so Effectively, that’s so effectively mentioned. And, and this work is so profound as a result of I feel, our tradition will not be alone in being one which has plenty of addictive compulsive kind of points, however it actually has so many, and, and I feel this have to be one thing that presents in, in your follow so usually is dependancy kind of labor. Mm-hmm . Like so many individuals, I imply, now we have dependancy to procuring, to alcohol, to medicine, to intercourse, to, how, I don’t know, so many alternative issues. So I might think about that EMDR is actually helpful in supporting the discount of addictive habits. And and the way does it try this particularly? I,

Susie Morgan (32:07):

Effectively, probably the most latest form of necessary items of form of connecting the dots that’s been made got here by the ACEs research. And I’m undecided for those who or your listeners are aware of it, however it’s the antagonistic Childhood Experiences research. And like EMDR, it’s really been round for nearly as a lot time, however it didn’t actually get any press till extra not too long ago. However it’s a very fundamental research that has simply been performed on monumental hoards of individuals at this level. And it’s even, replicated by the, the CDC at this level. So we’re capable of see it’s true throughout populations that early childhood antagonistic experiences, even when they occur simply as soon as, they create a vulnerability within the nervous system to develop psychological well being points, to develop bodily well being points and to develop addictions. And so, and it’s exponentially extra highly effective than anybody would ever assume.

(33:03)
And so addictions is one thing that we very a lot can see. Early childhood trauma actually potentiates that vulnerability to dependancy later. And what’s fascinating by way of EMDR remedy and trauma reminiscence networks and all of that’s this concept that dependancy has actually two elements which are occurring with reminiscence networks. One is the trauma is a driver, in order that that ache goes to drive you to the factor that eases the ache. The opposite factor although, is the pull of the dependancy. And you may even have maladaptively linked constructive reminiscences which are the, the important thing to the mind persevering with to hunt the excessive or the necessity being met by this addictive habits or substance, even when there’s tons and tons of penalties, or for those who by no means obtain that prime to that diploma. Once more,

Betty Rocker (33:58):

I virtually perceive what you imply by constructive maladaptive. It’s virtually prefer it, are you able to simply make clear that a bit bit extra? Yeah,

Susie Morgan (34:06):

Yeah, completely. So the instance I discovered from the one who I first discovered this from, was an instance of the, you realize, a a bit, a bit boy who had an abusive father. And his dad was actually, actually into taking part in playing cards, was actually into poker. And and in a while, this man has now’s now presenting in remedy as a result of he has a playing dependancy. He’s misplaced his home, he’s misplaced his household, he’s misplaced all the things. So we’re gonna assume, okay, effectively, he discovered about, he discovered about playing from little, in order that’s simply what he grew as much as do, proper? Like, it’s that easy, however it’s not, the place it really solidified in his mind was, so keep in mind he has this trauma of neglect and, and abuse from his dad. Effectively, sooner or later, you realize, one of many guys isn’t there for the poker recreation. So dad invitations his son to the poker desk that’s the place his mind swiftly felt liked. His mind swiftly felt seen and included and seen by his dad. And fireworks go off within the mind. And it’s like that soldering of one thing the place it’s identical to, Ooh, poker equals I’m liked, I’m lovable. And so from then on, doesn’t matter how a lot he loses, doesn’t matter all the implications, the mind doesn’t even like take note of any of that information. It’s coming, however it doesn’t matter. He retains searching for that must be met on the poker desk at no matter value.

Betty Rocker (35:45):

Acquired it. Acquired it. That’s a terrific instance, proper? That made a lot sense. You possibly can see how addictions can type of so many differing types due to the complexity of that layer, these layers collectively. Like that’s, and that have to be very arduous to unwind for folks due to what a strong urge that’s, like at a deep core degree to be liked, to be belong. These are deep human wants that all of us have, and once they’re not met, after we’re youthful, after which they’ve these layers on high of them, and we’re simply on the market making an attempt to be grownups, coping with life and all of our many obligations and, and repeating outdated patterns again and again and never understanding why, as an illustration. So who wants EMDR? Who could be a superb candidate for EMDR, would you say? I imply, we’ve talked about plenty of issues, however I feel lots of people listening are figuring out sure issues in what we’re speaking about. So let’s simply make it plain and easy. Like who could be a superb candidate?

Susie Morgan (36:46):

I suppose there’s somebody on the market who wouldn’t, however I haven’t met them. And, I imply, there are these individuals who actually grew up with that actually strong early attachment expertise. Their wants had been met. And, and I’ve seen these shoppers are available as a result of that they had one single actually dangerous t like massive T trauma, and but their stuff resolves like that. Like that’s the place you see this like magic occur. Prefer it’s, it may be a matter of two periods and one thing horrific, identical to is is absolutely reprocessed by the nervous system

Betty Rocker (37:24):

As a result of they’ve a sturdy and safe attachment model and safety in themselves to start out with. Their basis is, is actually sturdy. After which from there, therapeutic is less complicated, I suppose you’d say, proper?

Susie Morgan (37:37):

Sure. In order that they’re confronted with traumas, they’re confronted with various things, and their mind is like, oh, I’ve obtained this. And it, and it, it, you realize, it takes that, that adaptive info reminiscence community and simply wraps it round and it’s identical to, yep. Like I discovered from that. Now it’s over and off you go. Hmm. So there are folks on the market who’re like that, they’re simply extra uncommon.

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Hmm. The remainder of us , and I say that together with myself, have much more vulnerability to those various things. And so when somebody is saying, you realize, I’ve simply at all times been anxious, or I’ve simply at all times had these bouts of melancholy, that kind of factor, or this self-doubt, this self-confidence problem the place I’m not reaching for that subsequent degree at work, or I’m not stepping out of, you realize, like I, I do know I ought to be capable to do that, however I, however I’m, I’m stopping myself. I’m, I’m insecure, or I’m, you realize, repeating these relationship patterns or that kind of factor. Mm-hmm. All of this stuff are issues that make you a superb candidate to step into an EMDR therapist’s workplace. Mm mm Then the distinction is whether or not or not that EMDR therapist has eyes to see tips on how to deal with you. Have they performed ample coaching in with the ability to actually, actually like, have that curiosity to, to have a look at what, what’s all this related to? The place did this, this studying happen that’s now left you in a sample of, you realize, responding on this means? What are all these reminiscence networks? And is your mind able to do the precise trauma reminiscence reprocessing, or do we have to do a bunch of fro entrance loading in order that we will get there? It’s oftentimes not the case that somebody can’t do EMDR remedy. It simply means somebody would possibly have to do some extra subtle issues to get their mind prepared for it.

Betty Rocker (39:30):

You’ve gotten some fairly superb assets for folks at completely different ranges in the case of EMDR. One factor that you’ve is, I keep in mind the EMDR readiness course, which helps folks like me determine whether or not we’re prepared or how, clarify that for me, for those who don’t thoughts.

Susie Morgan (39:50):

So this course has been round for various years, and it’s really, I might attribute, the triggering of making that course to you really, oh, cease . As a result of sooner or later you sat down with me and also you mentioned, Susie, I’m referring folks out to EMDR remedy on a regular basis now, and so they’re not getting, from their remedy course of what I’m getting with you. And at that time, it brought about me to self-reflect and say, am I really doing one thing otherwise? Hmm. And, and I found out I used to be, and it wasn’t simply because I’m good, it was often because I used to be actually hungry to be taught and insecure. Truly, my very own insecurities had been in there the place I used to be like, I have to be taught extra, I have to be taught extra. I have to be taught extra. So I had, I had gone to so many alternative trainings by so many alternative consultants within the subject, however then my, my power actually is synthesizing issues collectively, curating and synthesizing these supplies right into a system basically.

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And so over time, there’s been a strategy that I’ve developed that began with that course and actually beginning to actually like, form of, conceptualize it and make it extra concrete that’s now developed out into some broader coaching applications that I can clarify. However, however the readiness course remains to be obtainable. It’s one thing that you are able to do by yourself. It’s virtually like a, a digital like workbook. And it takes you thru the readiness course of. So plenty of the steps that you just and I did collectively by way of these, these instruments and people, these expertise that you just developed firstly, beginning to actually map out these trauma reminiscence networks so that you could actually do some work by yourself and determine does this EMDR remedy factor is smart for me? Hmm. The opposite factor is that may be performed alongside a therapist, of their course of with you.

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For lots of people, it’s actually useful to have the assist of a therapist whereas they’re doing these processes. And the primary module of that course says takes you thru some questionnaire that say like, ought to, do you have to do that alone or not? Hmm. And so it, it could actually make it easier to assume by that course of. The opposite factor that’s now obtainable, that’s additionally on the self-help web page of my web site, which is precisionemdr.com. So for those who go to the self-help web page, you’ll see two various things. One is that readiness course, however one can also be a free 45 minute course that truly explains this, this tree idea that we’ve been speaking about. Cool. So that you’re capable of visualize the trauma reminiscence networks, that adaptive info mild tree of data, in order that for those who begin EMDR remedy, you’re entering into actually understanding that complete formulation of it. And it goes extra into what processing seems like, that kind of factor and what’s occurring within the mind throughout that. So, so that’s free to only check out, there’s, no strings. Yeah.

Betty Rocker (42:45):

That’s a tremendous present. And what a tremendous useful resource as effectively. After which I feel you might be additionally now, such as you’ve mentioned, you’ve developed your methodology, you’re now coaching different therapists at completely different, completely different ranges from the graduate degree to all the best way to individuals who’ve been training for a very long time. Is that what you had been telling me? That’s superb. What, what does that contain?

Susie Morgan (43:08):

So there’s two main items. One is now we have an EMDRIA authorised fundamental coaching, which they’re the bigwigs. They, they, they take you thru a reasonably rigorous course of whenever you’re creating a program to say, does it, you realize, test all of the bins. And so we checked all of the bins and what was actually thrilling is, I used to be authorised to have the ability to, to essentially use all of this readiness and the goal sequencing, which is the, the why you do, which, which trauma reminiscence first, that kind of factor. In addition to all of those attachment items into our fundamental coaching program. After which now we have additionally a sophisticated a set of programs. So it’s really a complete of 33 hours, half one and half two. However half one really goes by all of this readiness and, and fills within the gaps of what hasn’t been there in plenty of that conventional coaching that the majority therapists have gone by. After which half two goes into all of this fancy footwork round how will we restore the attachment system? How will we tackle these addictions? And that sparkle that these maladaptively linked reminiscences can have and all of that. So it’s, it’s a very strong superior course that folks can undergo

Betty Rocker (44:20):

A lot to know, so necessary to be a well-trained practitioner and for us as folks searching for remedy to know as a lot as we will about this in order that we will go into it eyes open, searching for this care. And in addition, you realize, discern being discerning, I suppose, about what we’re gonna obtain. I feel that’s, that’s so necessary. Effectively, you’ve shared your, web site with us and we will additionally observe you on social media, right. Wanna say your, your deal with,

Susie Morgan (44:55):

It’s @PrecisionEMDR. So it’s precisionEMDR in every single place. So whether or not that’s the web site or the deal with on Instagram or Fb, that’s, that’s the place yow will discover me and discover out what we’re doing. ’trigger I, it’s not simply me, however I even have gathered an exceptional group of consultants. It’s really one of many distinctive items of our program is everybody who’s a marketing consultant on our coaching group is an skilled in EMDR, in addition to oftentimes a specialty space or integration with one other remedy mannequin. So, so we will all be discovered there and it’s, it’s actually hopefully going to be increasingly a sturdy useful resource for referral sources and all of that for folks everywhere in the, everywhere in the nation. As a result of now we have people who find themselves going by our trainings who’re from in every single place.

Betty Rocker (45:42):

That’s fantastic and fantastic to consider the entire people who find themselves probably searching for EMDR or possibly didn’t understand how helpful EMDR could possibly be for them. And now we’ll have an extra useful resource to come back to for details about it, for searching for a practitioner for it, or practitioner searching for extra coaching for it. It’s actually fantastic what you might be creating. And thanks for all of the work that you just do on this world to make it a greater place. We admire you a lot. So thanks. Thanks a lot for approaching and speaking to us right this moment and sharing all of this actually beneficial info and insights. And thanks for all the things you’ve performed for me as effectively. Like, I might not be this model of the Betty Rocker with out you and your entire nice work. So all of you guys listening, I’m so glad that you just had an opportunity to satisfy Susie, ’trigger she’s simply unimaginable and I hope you look her up and search for her work. And Susie, is there any, like, final phrases, something you wanna depart with us that I didn’t ask or something you wanna say?

Susie Morgan (46:37):

Actually, it’s simply wanting to specific my gratefulness for the chance to come back in right here and discuss this and, and the, the, the platform that you’re utilizing throughout the board to assist, particularly ladies of their well being on all facets of issues. And EMDR is one thing that, such as you mentioned, it’s a buzzword on the market. Individuals discuss it, however they oftentimes don’t know sufficient about it to know the way it may really connect with them, the way it may really be, actually possibly much more powerfully performed if it’s one thing that that they had a, you realize, eh, expertise with earlier than. Issues like that. So I’m simply actually grateful that this was necessary to you to do and, and simply thanks for having me.

Betty Rocker (47:22):

Yay. Effectively, we sit up for speaking to you once more very quickly. And, thanks guys a lot for listening. You will discover the entire hyperlinks and assets over on the present notes web page for this podcast episode, in addition to Susie’s hyperlinks that she’s already shared. So sit up for speaking to you once more. Until subsequent time, I’m Betty Rocker, and you might be so superior, so flawsome and superb.